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Nice car, but $32k ??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

The direct link is http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...item=2422166229

The car is advertised as a 1972 GT clone.

NO WAY!!!

The chassis number is from 1976.

The headlights use motors to raise them, it has standard interior door handles, steel bonet and rear deck lid etc...

But it has steel flares!

For 32K one can get a lot of Porsche NOT being a fu..ed up 914! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/Yack.gif)

And what exactly is "916 clone" about this car I cannot see; steel flares certainly do not qualify. On the other hand, a steel roof, a 2.4S (or 2.7S) engine, and a special 916 gearbox modification would (apart from the other goodies mentioned by FlatSix)!

The vehicle should contain a sticker that says: "WARNING: if you stick your hands in any luggage compartment you will get electrocuted" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

you can have 12-16 decent 914's or this 1... 32k is a joke!

How can you get 12-16 decent 914's the same as this car.
This car has a 3.0 six in it so it is a conversion which usually sell in the 15k range for nice ones. Ok, so maybe 2 cars. This one looks like they have done it right and its sweet. I hope they get it!
Sometimes you guy jump all over a car for no reason, now if its a rusty AA POS I have noo problem.

I wish my car was as nice as this 3.0L conversion.

Geoff

I guess I should have specified 914/4s....

This car has been for sale for about 1 year at that dealership.

I don't think they are going to get it.

MAYBE in the low to mid 20's.... maybe, but I doubt it.

Well, it's a nice enough car, and it would cost quite a bit to replicate. The 916 reference is probably spurious marketing-speak. I'm with Anton on this -- I don't see anything 916 about it -- the most obvious point is the front and rear bumpers are wrong. (But I prefer the gt look, so I actually like the front better anyway - the splitter is an interesting addition -- I wonder if the bumper is real or fg.) 916's all had pretty custom interiors as well. Often leather, or that cool paisley interior we saw recently.

The interior looks like the single place that the owner could have spent more money/time completing. It looks like a pretty stock 914 interior with a change out of seats, instruments and rollbar. The driver's door still has the screw holes in it for the stock door handle (sort of cheezy). The instruments you normally change out on a 6-conversion anyway -- I'm not personally a fan of the white face look, and I doubt that porsche was in '72, but I could be wrong. I can't see a gas gauge anywhere but there aren't a lot of pics of the interior. The 916's I've seen pics of used a stock gauge under the dash where the console would have been.

Basically, it looks like a pretty nicely done 6 conversion. Some parts are hard to tell, of course -- not much detail on the engine/tranny combo (a newly built 3.0 w/goodies can be a 10K - 15K toy) or the actual suspension/brake goodies. To get to call it something like "gt clone", you probably have to do more work tho, as a lot of the details are not very close. (dashboard should be felt, door panels, etc)

There are too many colors in the engine compartment.

I do like the koenig's. Dunno if I'd use red tho.

It would be interesting to see better pics of the back pad. It looks like they sectioned it to fit the seats. It looks like felt/carpet on the sides, but I can't quite make it out. There's a nice new screw above the interior light that probably polishes up real nice with chrome polish. lol.

As far as pricing, this would be interesting if I were considering building a car with specs pretty close to this one. Then it's a build or buy decision. But I'm not, so others will have to chime in about the 32K reality check.

kim.

As mentioned above...the front splitter is a piece I haven't seen before, this a one off piece or anyone knows who sells/sold these?

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Tony

From the looks of it, it looks custom made. I am considering making a fiberglass front splitter, and making a mold to reproduce it.. Is this custom? or is this an off the shelf item?

Andrew

I agree with Kim. I, more or less, like the car. It's overpriced, but it is still a nice car. But the problem appears to be the lame and misleading advertising. The seller says it is a GT clone and in other places the seller says the car is a 916 clone. The car, in fact, does not "clone" either the 916 nor the early 1970s 914-6 GTs.

The 916 was a luxury car with leather all around, AC, and a 2.4 liter engine (if I remember right, could be a 2.7). But this car does not have leather all around, not on all parts of the seats, not on the dash and I did not see AC. Also the engine is from another era.

The GT was a stripped down race car with no amenities and black felt where a lot of the interior trim used to be. But this car has all sorts of fancy amenities, weird gauge faces, center console, arm rest, and no black felt.

So it's neither a very good GT nor a very good 916 clone.

I still like the car anyway. It looks like it was almost done right. I don't know how you're supposed to change the coil to dizzy wire, however.

Douglas

You guys are hard on cars. Besides the marketing speak about it being a 916 clone it would easily cost $25-30K plus a lot of labor to build the same car with a used engine and definitely over $30K with a new rebuilt engine.

I emailed the seller and asked him if he even knew was a 916 was. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

-Rusty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)

yeah, but that's not the way it works with these cars.
i will NEVER ever get the money back i've put in the car so far.

and i know that and i'm fine with it. (cause i don't wanna sell (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )
i'm even going to dump much more into it over the next year or two.

by the time i'm done, i'll probably have around $35k - $40k in the car.
and even then, i won't get more than $15 for it ...

Andy

Troublemaker.

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kim.

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No, being a troublemaker would be rallying a charge to get everyone to email eBay, and claim deceit in advertising - it's no where near a GT or a 916. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ninja.gif)

-Rusty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/zorro.gif)

Yeh, I agree. I've just never had a chance to use the fish smiley before. I'll do better next time.

kim.

The salesman's reply:

-----Original Message-----
From: Frederick Regina [mailto:sales@concoursautos.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:19 PM
To: Lawrence
Subject: RE: Question for seller -- Item #2422166229

Hi,
I'm sorry if you didn't like the description. It is an anomaly because Porsche didn't build a 914/6 in 1972, and the 914/6 didn't have a 3 liter motor, where as the 916 never really existed, other than the 11 prototypes that were built and only 1 made it to the states, and they didn't have a targa roof. How would you have described it?

Thank You,
Frederick

My reply back:

Sir,

Porsche DID build a stock 914/6 in 1972:

Production Numbers:

914/4 (ROW) 6,106
914/4 (USA) 15,474
914/6 (non-GT) 260 (approx)
916 11
Total 21,851

The 914/6 serial numbers were: 9142430011-9142430260

The car you're selling is a 1976 chassis, with a 3.0/6 conversion and steel flares. That's how it should be listed. The fact that the car is indeed a 1976 has significant consequences if the buyer is from an area with smog requirements, like California's 30 year rolling exemption.

To claim this is a "clone" of a 916 is plain wrong, and an uneducated buyer would be screwed over if he took your description as accurate.

Regards.